An omnipotent, perfect creator being cannot exist
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| Started: | 6/20/2008 | Category: | Religion |
| Updated: | 2 months ago | Status: | Voting Period |
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My argument is simple. The existence of a perfect, omnipotent creator is impossible because the very idea implies that a being can do everything and anything. In other words, there is NOTHING he cannot do. However, the very truth of that statement is prohibitive, restrictive of the aforementioned creator. If he (assuming for the purposes of the simplicity a male persona) cannot do anything wrong, that itself makes him incapable of something. He would therefore be imperfect.
Perfect does not mean omnibenevolent or omnimalevolent. "If he cannot do anything wrong..." -- The above objection shows that you are misusing the terms and as such perfection does not preclude evil acts. A perfect omnipotent creator being could do something evil. In fact, such a being could do everything evil by virtue of being omnipotent. |
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You assume that I meant "wrong" in the sense of "evil." I did not. I meant "wrong" in the sense of "incorrect."
>>You assume that I meant "wrong" in the sense of "evil." I did not. I meant "wrong" in the sense of "incorrect." An acceptable leap on my part. Thank you for clarifying your argument. Your argument is that a perfect all-powerful being could not do something incorrectly? When we say that you did something wrong, we mean to suggest that the predefined goal of a task was not properly achieved. A perfect all-powerful being could not, for example, make a poorly constructed house while intending to make a well constructed house? But being all powerful, such a being clearly could create every half-assed thing possible. Your argument roughly breaks down to the idea that there can be no desync between the goals of an perfect all-powerful being and the results of said the implementation of that power? However, clearly there is no goal impossible to do for such a creator being. In short your argument breaks down to the premise that a perfect all-powerful being cannot fail. This is however false, all such a being would need to do is stop being perfect and all-powerful and it would fail all the time. If failure were the goal of such a being, that failure would be quickly realized... and if it weren't... paradoxically... it would be. If such a being simply intended to fail it would. As such doing something wrong is well within the range of talents for the all-powerful. |
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So your argument is that a perfect being could only do the one thing I propose he cannot do by ceasing to be perfect? In other words, a perfect being could only exist if at some point he made a decision not to be perfect. Whose argument are you trying to prove?
I would also argue that failure cannot be a goal. If one succeeded in failing, it would nonetheless be a success due to the fact that the desired goal was accomplished.
>>In other words, a perfect being could only exist if at some point he made a decision not to be perfect. No. The necessity to exist isn't contingent on choosing to do something imperfectly but that that option is not limited. As a living breathing human being could I kill myself? Clearly then I would neither being living nor breathing and by many definitions remain human. As such, as a semi-powerful living being I could at some point allow myself to be non-powerful as well as not-alive. I am arguing that the same ability is within the preview of an all-powerful being. Such a being could stop being perfect and stop being all powerful. |
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lets define x as such
x = a being that does everything it intends to do to the extant that it cannot do something that it didn't intend to do.
x, therefore is limited in its ability; Restricted to only doing actions it intends to do.
Because x has a limited ability x cannot be all powerful (defined here as having no such limitations in ability)
In order for something to truly be all powerful it must not be limited in its ability to act in contradiction to its intention.
-Plz note.. willingly acting in contradiction on one's intention is NOT actually acting in contradiction to one's intention. this is where people are getting confused. IF you willing act in contradiction to your intention then that is your intention intending to do something you didn't intend to do is still intending to do it, and this is the limitation of such a being; x.
the inherent paradox is that
if a being doesn't have any limitations in its ability (i.e. it's all powerful) then it will never be able to unwillingly act in contradiction to its intention. of course it could willingly do this, but then, as stated above it wouldn't actually be acting in contradiction to its intention.
Pro has clearly won this debate... unfortunately the wording can be easily confused.
Ha ha ha! I've never heard that one before. Very witty. Vote CON.
As such, an initial all-powerful being could exist. However, after the task is properly completed there would no longer be an all-powerful being.