An omnipresent God is an atheist.
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| Started: | 4/14/2008 | Category: | Religion |
| Updated: | 7 months ago | Status: | Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 346 times | Debate No: | 3628 |
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My opponent may provide anything he wishes, I allow him first and last argument out of respect. The only thing I must do is clarify a few terms for this debate.
Omnipresent- everywhere all the time the resolution implies the existence of a God with this characteristic, so don't tell me to "prove it", I'll make my case after my opponents opening argument, however I would like one question to be answered: What is the smallest block of life, the minutest stone which lays the first foundation of life?
Let me first answer your question: An atom. Now I'll respond to your argument. You state that I must accept omnipresence as an attribute of god. What other attributes must I also accept and why? In addition, I do not need you to prove a god. I need you to prove why an omnipresent god is necessarily atheist. |
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For the record, my first speech was written simply to set up a simple framework for the debate to prevent any semantics arguments or arguments of style, rather than actual philosophy.
"Now I'll respond to your argument. You state that I must accept omnipresence as an attribute of god. What other attributes must I also accept and why?" The resolution is: "AN omnipresent God is an atheist." The resolution does not say "God is an atheist." It is an omnipresent god. Therefore, there doesn't have to be any other attribute to said god. Most gods, in a wide spectrum of faith, are omnipresent: (Just to list a few: Christianity Islam Judaism Pagaen Wiccan.) You may choose amongst any of these gods, and assume that they have some nonbelievers. (Atheists, other religions, nihilists etc.) As you've defined, the smallest particle known to man is an atom and even further still, a god with omniprescence would exist within subatomic particles. Starting to get a picture? What are all beings made of? Atoms. We are entirely constructed of atoms. If a god is omnipresent, he is everywhere and inside everything. We must assume that there are small cracks, as in stone, within atoms that god must be in. He must be in the particles that make up the atoms, and so, God makes up the majority of the atom. That being said, if he makes up the majority of every atom, and these atoms make up us, then God is us. We are God. So now that we've shown that we ARE God, we must look back to what I stated above. There are atheists for any religion, disbelievers, so if there is one disbeliever ( a point you said that you would accept) then God, which we are, is an Atheist. I don't believe anything else needs to be said, as it's clearly obvious which side to vote for. The logic is clear, vote Pro. Thanks again, FB
You do understand that your entire argument here is based on nothing but semantics right? Your argument: God makes up the majority of everything. God makes up the majority of us. Therefore, we are God Therefore, God is us. A few of us are atheist Therefore, God is atheist. Problems: 1. The fact that something makes up the majority of something else does not mean that it then becomes its sole identity. If I have a solution of 20% HCl acid, it is a solution of 20% HCl acid. By your definition, it would be water. Try drinking it and see what happens. After all, it's just water, and it's good for you, right? 2. Even if I granted you the first part, which I don't, since it was logically fallacious, the second part is a problem too. If we as a collective are God, it does not mean that God is us. The United States of America is a democratic republic. However, this does not mean that a democratic republic is The United States of America. 3. Let's assume that I suffer some sort of massive aneurysm and I grant you the first two. There's another problem. If we can give an attribute to a small part of something, that does not necessarily mean that it applies to the whole. My outermost epithelial cells are dead. By your logic, I am dead. By your definition, God is not only us, God is everything. This means that the group of "things" that can be atheist (humans) are insignificant compared to everything else in the universe. So no, just because people are atheist it does not mean that God is atheist. Even if all humans on earth were atheist, it wouldn't line up with your logic that God is atheist. So no, not quite as clear as you thought, and you're very welcome for the debate. |
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I'll let the rest of you fight this out. I'm going to argue in a debate where my opponent is serious.
And even if you want to accept that God is not just present in everything, but an actual part of everything, nothing is proved by this. For example, I am part of the Democratic Party. I am not the Democratic Party.
The only logical response is to vote CON. Why? because the PRO is wrong.
I am in a house. I am not a house.
You at no point proved that God is actually part of the Atheist in question.
Again:
Worst. Atheist. Argument. Ever.
Just because yellow paint has some red pigment in it, Does that make the paint red, in part. it is still yellow.
Same with God.
How would a god disbelieve in himself???
Maybe I'm just dumb.
We are made, in part, of dead tissue so we are dead tissue. Just not in a whole.