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Solarman1969
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Derek.Gunn
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HYDROGEN IS THE ANSWER TO OUR ENERGY FUTURE

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Started: 2/28/2008 Category: Science
Updated: 9 months ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 291 times Debate No: 2985
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Solarman1969

Pro

I want to have this debate over and over until all you laypeople get it and DEMAND THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT FOLLOW THIS AS THEIR ENERGY POLICY. They DONT WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR FUEL AT HOME WITH ELECTRICITY AND WATER - HEAR ME?

THIS IS THE ANSWER THE ONLY ANSWER TO OUR ENERGY CRISIS THAT WILL SND THIS WORLD INTO WAR OVER AND OVER FOREVER.
Derek.Gunn

Con

We have many things that use energy, and some of them could be powered by burning nice, clean hydrogen gas.

However: computers, bicycles, toasters, sailing boats, hang gliders, jet fighters, weed-whackers, fan-heaters, and a vast number of other things are far better powered by other forms of energy.
So in this regard, hydrogen (H2) is not the answer to our energy future.

It is possible to produce H2 (and O2) from water at home via electrolysis. I've done it myself.
However, this cannot solve the coming energy crisis.
Electrolysis just changes the energy from electricity to gas.
We still need to create the electricity in the first place.
Debate Round No. 1
Solarman1969

Pro

Solarman1969 forfeited this round.
Derek.Gunn

Con

I really haven't anything to add.
Except: electrolysis of steam appears to be extremely efficient!

According to Wikipedia, electrolysing steam produces > 100% energy return. :-)
Read here:http://en.wikipedia.org...

Imagine! One could absorb heat from steam, and reduce the need for cooling towers in nuclear (or coal) plants and generate hydrogen really efficiently at the same time. Fantastic!
Debate Round No. 2
Solarman1969

Pro

Sorry- not much of time as of lately

you have caught on

all you have to do is plug in an electrolyzer and make hydrogen and oxygen.

you can fill a tank in your car and augment the gasoline mixture right now

hythane is hydrogen-natural gas mixture, which can be at any ratio

the only reall issue I see is the regulations about how to store the hydrogen on board a vehicle

it really is THE revolution- SOLAR HYDROGEN

what do you think of my clever idea?

Right now I just sell solar - I am ready for hydrogen as well

F*** the Saudis and Chavez the dictator

hydrogen now!

SOLARMAN
Derek.Gunn

Con

Yes, I've noticed you've been putting your attention elsewhere.

I wouldn't waste any breath on Chavez or the Saudis.
Chavez has let power go to his head and seems now to be just another South American banana republic dictator (though with oil).
The Saudis are much the same. With their trillions, they could have changed their country from a desert to a cacti-forest; but no, they though it better to own jets, yachts, and a merc for every day of the week. So their (immense) number of princes will inherit desert and dead vehicles instead.

THE DEBATE...

I can't see hydrogen playing a big part in powering cars.
Yes we can have 110% efficient steam-based electrolysis, and then burn it in a car at perhaps 15% efficiency.
Compare this to 100% electricity charging a capacitor at 95% efficiency and running the car at 85% efficiency.

The compressing, transportation and infrastructure need for hydrogen all make it even less attractive.
The transmission infrastructure for electricity is far more efficient, and we already have batteries that allow a sports-car to compete in the current market, and things are only going to get better: http://blog.wired.com...

Our future energy needs are likely to be met via improvements and expansion in:
* Nuclear power
* Photovoltaics
* Solar-powered water heating (saved us >1/3rd of our electricity last year)
* Energy efficiency
* Algae-based oil production
* Wind power and others

- those are some of the answers to our energy future.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Solarman1969 9 months ago
Solarman1969
show me your capacitor , friend

it does not exist yet for automotive applications

what voltage are you going to run it at? how many farads?

* Nuclear power (already fine)
* Photovoltaics (already fine)
* Solar-powered water heating (saved us >1/3rd of our electricity last year) (fine in warm climates)
* Energy efficiency (only can do so much we will always have an INCREASING load.
* Algae-based oil production (small potatoes)
* Wind power and others (wind is OK, but not for everyone)

My answers

Solar
hydrogen
batteries and other electric storage
breeder reactor nukes
coal plants
use natural gas to transition to hythane - to hybrid hydrogen / other fuel combustion and electric

the only fuel even remotely possible on the scale of oil in hydrogen. period.

batteries are NOT going to cut it

hydrogen is permanent free storage of energy

hydrogen powers the space shuttle
Posted by Kleptin 9 months ago
Kleptin
I don't have a doctorate in Chemistry, but doesn't the oxidation of hydrogen make things go "boom"

Things like...

http://www.aerospaceweb.org...

?

Gasoline is a liquid and it's dangerous enough as is.

Hydrogen's a gas.
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