Homo and bi sexuality is against the Bible

First of all i will give no proof in ths first round because i want to save it till the remaining rounds. I can and will prove that homosexuality is mentioned and said to be wrong/bad in more than one book of the bible. Anyone who wants to debate me start how ever you want. I am open to all coments

The Bible is against homosexual sex not homosexuality. There are about six different parts sections of the Bible which specifically condemn homosexual sex. This is not a condemnation of homosexuality as being homosexual only has a slight causal relationship to having homosexual sex. Allow me an example:

If a bisexual man falls in love with a woman in high school, gets married, lives out his life and dies... the Bible has no condemnation for him being bisexual. Bisexuals are generally sexually attracted to individuals of both genders, however the Bible condemns (and commands murder of) homosexual sex (female-female homosexual sex is only noted in Romans and is an observation and doesn't spell out the death penalty).

So we see that so long as homosexuals and bisexuals ignore the attraction they feel for the same sex and never engage in homosexual sex... the bible has no condemnation for them.

Further, the term "is against the Bible" is consistently poorly worded. To say that a person wearing clothing of two different fibers is against the bible is "accurate" but ambiguous as it seems to imply that the person in question opposes the Bible. The same holds true for the topic: Homosexuality opposes the Bible. It may seem rather persnickety but the topic doesn't make much sense.

First of all i would like to thank you for being involved in this debate and I am very glad that someon had the nerve to touch this subjct besides me.

but on the the actual debate:
you are splitting hairs.

By the dicionary deffinition a homaosexual is a person who ingages in or practces sexual relations with someone of the same sex. So just because you find someone attractive doesn't mean that you are homo or bisexual if they are the same sex as you, you must have some sort of sexual interaction with someone of the same sex to be classified as homo or bisexual.

And it does also say in the Bible that if you have thought about doing something that is shameful or and abomination in the eyes of God then you might as well have done it for real.

Therefore your idea that acting in homosexual sex is wrong but being homosexual is okay is not backed up, to be considered homo or bisexual you must PHYSICALY ACT ON A HOMOSEXUAL URGE AND BE INVOLVED IN HOMSEXUAL RELATIONS.

Here are just a few mentionings of homosexuality being seen as a sin and being wrong in the eyes of God

"In Leviticus 18:22 and 24 homosexuality is described as an "abomination" and "defiling." It is reprehensible and unclean.

In Leviticus 20:13 it is again described as an "abomination" but here as one worthy of the death penalty!

Deuteronomy 23:17 forbade the presence of a "sodomite" in the land of Israel.

An incident similar to that of Sodom and Gomorrah is seen again in Judges 19. Again the sin of homosexuality is described as "wickedness."

In Romans 1:18-32 the apostle Paul condemns the practice in the severest terms. Homosexuality is "unclean," "impure," "dishonoring to the body," "vile," "degrading / disgraceful," "contrary to nature," "unseemly/ obscene," "improper activity of a depraved mind," "unrighteous," "wicked," etc. Of particular importance to the apostle in this passage is the fact that homosexuality is "unnatural"--contrary to nature. In other words, nature itself teaches that the practice is wrong; we all know it intuitively. Homosexuality is, then and now, a particularly rebellious sin.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 the apostle Paul speaks of homosexuals as "effeminate" and "abusers of themselves with mankind" who "shall not inherit the kingdom of God." The terms he uses here seem to be specific REFERENCES TO BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE PARTICIPANTS IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. Such people are "unrighteous," he says, and if they remain in that practice they will be condemned.

From all this we can draw at least the following three conclusions:

1) Homosexuality is contrary to Scripture. There is no way to speak of any kind of acceptable or "Christian" homosexuality. There is never any allowance for it. It is never anything but sinful." <http://www.biblicalstudies.com...;

BY THE WAY I agree with you that the way i worded the topic wasn't correct. I would have been better off saying " homosexualty is VILE and an ABOMINAION according to the Bible"

I am not splitting hairs. Homosexuals are attracted to individuals of the same gender. There are more than a few who are Christian and choose not to act on those feelings specifically because the condemnation is upon the actions and not upon the feeling. Further, a good many Christian groups specifically council homosexuals to not engage in homosexual activities. At least those who aren't so stupid as to figure they can fix gay with prayer.

You claim that attraction is not a key issue that finding individuals attractive does not make one homosexual. I must strongly rebuke this statement as patently false. People are, in general, attracted to some particular gender. I find many women quite sexy and have not found any men as such. Regardless of actual sexual intercourse this makes me straight. Likewise, if one were to find those of the same gender attractive that would make one gay, regardless whom they had sex with. -- The Bible is quite clear on such pronouncements and it does not condemn the attraction but rather the sexual act.

When a man lies with a man as one would a woman it is an abomination. The Bible does not say that when a man finds another man attractive its an abomination.

Would you consider all virgins to be asexual? What about a child whose only sexual encounter unwilling and with a gender he or she does not find attractive?

As for your claim that thoughts about doing something shameful as condemned by the Bible, I believe you refer only to Matthew 5:28 which reads:

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. "

Clearly what sticks out most pronounced is the genders involved. Men looking lustfully at women is "adultery in his heart". However, accepting your premise that this applies between any genders one is faced with problem: this would apply to any genders. This argument you make applies to just as soundly condemn heterosexuality as it could be construed to condemn homosexuality. This clearly is a pronouncement against adultery and moving it remarkably close to a general all purpose thought-crime. One could, at best, use this to conclude that we are all sinners in the eyes of God and therefore God sees homosexuals as sinners! This argument does not hold water.

One need not act on an attraction for the attraction to exist. We consider virgins to be homosexual and heterosexual based on their desires. Actions need not be taken and it is for these actions that one is condemned to die by biblical law.

I fully understand the Bible condemns homosexual sex. It does so in no uncertain terms. One may choose to construct elaborate schemes by which the plainly written commandments become ambiguous or to use such similar pronouncements to rebuke the Bible itself. After all, the Bible also clearly condones slavery and condemns shellfish, to have a child is deemed a sin and to have a female child is twice as sinful, picking up sticks on a Saturday and murdering your father on a Monday are equal crimes in the eyes of the Bible. -- Why should we not overlook all such antiquated ideas of justice? My reason is because specifically the topic is whether or not the Bible actually condemns homosexuality, not as to the backwardness of doing so.

I fully concede that the Bible condemns homosexual sex. One need not make the case on those grounds. Homosexual sex is clearly condemned and one is to murder those engaged in such actions. I must, however, make clear that all of these are specifically the action of homosexual sex. One must be careful to note that there is no word for homosexuality in ancient Hebrew, the wording therefore depends strongly on the description of the act: lie with a man as one lieth with a women, used contrary to nature, abusers with mankind... these are all descriptions of the actions.

We do not see anywhere a condemnation of attraction for other men or sexual desire except that of a man for another women which cannot be so construed as be remotely specific as to the genders involved to include homosexuals desires while excluding others.

The Bible opposes homosexual sex. However the existence as a homosexual is not condemned by any jot or tittle. Make no mistake, there are more than a few Christian homosexuals who do not engage in homosexual acts because only the acts are condemned. They are depriving themselves of love and life and sex and a large measure of happiness because of some bronze aged nonsense. However, they are clearly not in any violation of biblical commandments.

I in no way believe that homosexuals should be murded for there actions only pittied and helped . . . Secondly i put he DICTIONARY DEFFINITION of homosexual in my last argument. So just thoughts dont make you homosexual i speak specificsly of those who engage in homosexual relations. Truthfuly you are agreeing with me. A HOMOSEXUAL CAN ONLY BE CLASSIFIED AS SUCH IF THEY HAVE INGAGED IN HOMOSEXUAL ACTS. As far as finding another man attractive, i dnt mean you want to have sex with them i mean that you think that they are handsome or mabey more attractive to a woman than yourself. Since we arguing the same side i beleive that neither of us will respectfuly "win" this debate. well i have no more to say so thanks for debating me on this widely contreverial topic . . . GOOD JOB and enjoy all the other debates you are or will be in.

>>I in no way believe that homosexuals should be murded for there actions only pittied and helped...

I am myself completely opposed to treating people as anything less than people. I encouraged that my state of California currently has legal gay marriage and hope that legal remedy by the 14th amendment progresses to render unconstitutional every unjust law on the subject across the nation. However, we are discussing the Bible, and the Bible says very specifically in Lev 20:13 that homosexual sex is an abomination and those participating are to be executed. If one is to render the Bible as an accurate account of the desires of God on the subject you should be far less pity and far more Phelps.

Those homosexuals who act upon their homosexual desires and attractions are to be killed. My objection is very specifically that just because a gay man doesn't have sex with other gay men doesn't make him any less gay. As such, a homosexual can follow biblical commandments without impediment by either not engaging with sex or only engaging in sex with women.

You didn't put the dictionary definition of homosexuality, although you did claim reference to the dictionary as if it were some grand arbiter as to what words are suppose to mean rather than a reference guide to how they are used. However, let me do exactly what you claim to have done:

http://dictionary.reference.com...

homosexuality: sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

We have but one disagreement. Is homosexuality to be defined as sexual desire AND behavior as you contend or does it refer to sexual desire OR behavior? The dictionary is kind enough to side with me in this regard.

If one has desires directed towards a person or persons of one's own sex they are homosexual.

Further, sexual desires aren't thoughts. When I see an attractive women, I do not think about why she is attractive rather, I simply become aware of such perceptions. There is no choice or thought involved. Likewise if I found myself inversely inclined that would imply something different all together.

As this point is the linchpin of our entire argument allow me to spell it out: I have not nor have every agreed with the proposition that a homosexual need 'lay with a man as one would lieth with a women' or 'use men against their own nature'... just that there is a desire within some people to do that. The bible condemns the actions not the desires.

Clearly if one were to simply ignore those desires, deem them a test, a live out their lives in solitude as many practicing Christian homosexuals endeavor to do, they would not be violating Biblical commandments.

As it says in Ezekiel 18:27 -- "When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul."