In Death Note..Yagami Light Became a shinigami
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| Started: | 4/6/2008 | Category: | Entertainment |
| Updated: | 7 months ago | Status: | Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 1,073 times | Debate No: | 3536 |
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 Pro  Con First, I'll prove that Yagami Light did not become a Shinigami. Then I will address my opponent's case. First, lets observe the death note manga chapter 107, page 14, 15, and 18-19: http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... From reading these pages, you'll note that neither heaven or hell exist in the death note series. All humans go to MU (nothingness). In other words, they cease to exist. Furthermore, the Shinigami realm is never referred to as MU, so this is more evidence against my opponent's theory. Next, if Light were to merely become a Shinigami, what would stop him from continuing his work as Kira? Absolutely nothing. However, the fact of the matter is that Kira's activities ceased upon Light Yagami's death. Finally, for conclusive evidence, let us refer to all the Shinigami which the writer declared to exist; we shall refer to the special "How to read" chapter of the Death Note manga: http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... http://www.onemanga.com... All of the Shinigami in the Death Note universe are listed in these pages, but you'll note that there is no mention of Light Yagami, Mikami, or Misa Amane. This is because they are NOT Shinigami. Now in response to my opponent's case: My opponent says that Light, Mikami, and Misa all committed suicide, thus became Shinigami. This is clearly the non sequitur fallacy as merely committing suicide does not lead to the conclusion that they have become Shinigamis. Thus, this is not to be considered evidence of my opponent's claim. Furthermore, what purpose would there be for the Shinigami king to lie about rule #8? Absolutely none. In conclusion, my opponent has no evidence to support the idea that Light became a Shinigami. On the contrary, there is conclusive evidence to show that he hasn't. Given that this is the case, my opponent cannot uphold the resolution, and therefore cannot win this debate. |
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Pro so thus proving my point does RYUk know where or where not people go where they die...the evidence provided by my opponenet is helpful....RYUK srtangles yagami and kills him.....really there are many endings to this series of DEATH NOTE in the movie RYUK writes his name in his deathnote...same in thew anime.....but in the manga he seems to take matters into his own hands and kills him with them.....so really could there be a true ending to this anime... and does evryone go somewhere when they DIE......Death Note: Fatally Fun Facts (Mysteries and Secrets Revealed!) (Paperback)actually tells us that they eventually go somewhere...this is written by the author....and it also explains a lot of things that you and the world would love to know...if you read it will explain a lot.........http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp... look it up if you'd like...and buy it.... Con No one is saying that nothing is stopping shinigami from lying. My point is that there is simply not motivation for the Shinigami King to lie. In Rem's case, her motivation stemmed from the fact that she thought helping Light would save Misa Amane. My opponent cannot prove there is a motivation, thus there is no reason to consider his argument on this issue. If my opponent is suggesting that Ryuk has no way of knowing where people go when they die, then it is my opponent job to prove this, as the burden of proof would belong to him in this situation. Just because Ryuk didn't know how other Shinigami could die, it does not mean he is somehow lying about heaven and hell not existing. As for endings, it is only best that we refer to the canon ending. The only canon aspect of Death Note is the Death Note manga (which is what I cited). Nevertheless, regardless of which ending we consider, there is never anything to suggest that Light Yagami becomes a Shinigami in any of them. As for the book which my opponent cites, it is NOT written by the author of death note. On his link, it will list the author of the "Fun Fact book." Here is the author/artist which is listed: Fujie, Kazuhisa /Komen, Daniel / Now the author of Death Note is none other than Ohba Tsugumi ( http://en.wikipedia.org... ), thus this book wasn't written by the author of Death Note. Furthermore, if you'll note the list of questions which the book promises to cover, there is ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION CONCERNING HUMANS BECOMING SHINIGAMIS or HUMANS NOT BECOMING NOTHING AFTER DYING. Add all of this to the fact that my opponent dropped most of my arguments in his most recent round, and I have conclusively dismantled my opponent's case. I await the next round, but it's already clear that your vote must go to CON. There's no way I'd post a link to that phoenix wright music vid otherwise. :D |
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Pro also my mistake on the author thing i meant to say the author of the book but i was a little busy writting papers..so my bad....also this is a fun debate no need to take it seriousi mean...c'mon it is only a theory and alos the book that i meantioned earlier has a page for what happened to yagami after he died we never know what happends to people when they die....who knows........ Con My Response: This is clearly the non sequitur fallacy at work. How does us not knowing where Shinigami come from lead us to the conclusion that Light must be a shinigami? If shinigami came from mars, saturn, or neptune, how would that lead us to the PRo's conclusion? It doesn't. PRO: "and alos the book that i meantioned earlier has a page for what happened to yagami after he died we never know what happends to people when they die" I've scanned each chapter synopsis statement and I have found nothing to suggest this. Of course, even if I had, it would be PRO's job to provide this information. This is something which he doesn't do. I challenge PRO to provide a scan of the page which he is referring to so that we all may observe it. Although I don't have to, I'll address something which I had found in the comment section. A commenter stated that Light Yagami probably lost his memory when he became a shinigami, hence being why he hasn't continued his role as Kira. First, there is no evidence to suggest this. Second, the evidence against this is that its implied that no new Shinigami come into existance. After all, the Shinigamis which I listed in round 1 were the Shinigamis at the beginning of the series as well. Since no new Shinigami was added to that list, there is now way Light became a Shinigami. Furthermore, why would Rem care about Misa dying if this were the case? Rem could simply let Misa die and continuing looking after her in the Shinigami world? Heck, she could even restore Misa's memories with her death note. Finally, extend the rest arguments made from round 2 to this round as PRO clearly drops them. |
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Pro Con I thank my opponent for debating and I thank the audience for reading. Till next time. |
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I just watch the Death Note Rewrite special on youtube and it leads you to think at the end the the Shinigami Ryuk is talking to is in fact light, and he is similar in apearence, by the color and style, even the jacket he wears is similar, and here is some direct proof that Light did become a Shinigami the author of the Death Note Manga said at convention that you will be able to tell right of the back which Shinigami Light is in that special. Can you disprove that.
this is not, if you really think about it possible. The simple fact being rule that kills SHINIGAMI they can not kill to prolong human life . . . If Light had become a SHINIGAMI then he could not continue his work as Kira . . . By killing criminals he is definatly increasing the lifespans of humans... so then he would die after so many criminals died. If he had been tied to this rule while he was human(if you think that he became a SHINIGAMI) he would not died along time ago.
Onto another point i am pro the idea he became a SHINIGAMI because the DEATH NOTEs rules are stricktly centered aroung SHINIGAMI and those who use the DEATH NOTEs. SO when the final rule stated that humans will eventualy die and they go to MU i, under interpritation, and im sure others may percive it this was as well, belive that this rule only speaks of those who use the DEATH NOTE.
Finaly Makami would have gone to hell, saying it exists in the world of DEATH NOTE, and also saying he was damned to go there, because he was not the original owner of the NOTE, and in the last episode it said that the "First person to write in the NOTE on the human plain can neither go to heven nor hell." If i misquoted that i am sorry it may have said something else but i could swear i read that.
"The pages of this Notebook will not run out."
Also, about the shopping mall thing: If cars and truck do in fact exist(And I believe they do), there's always a possibility of some idiot driving into the shopping mall like an insane moron, and hitting you.
In response to your first example, I don't believe it is applicable as the issue of "cannot" differs greatly from the issue of "can."
Now the second rule you produced would be a truthful claim regardless. If cars and trucks didn't exist, you wouldn't get hit by them when walking into a shopping mall. If they did exist, you wouldn't get hit. Since both possibilities are treated as equal, this would lead us to conclude that the implication of existence isn't necessarily an implication.
As to why it would mention heaven and hell, this is quite simple. This is a scare tactic that would prevent most humans from wanting to abuse a death note. After all, it is noted that a death note has a limited amount of pages, and having humans waste all of this pages is an undesirable conclusion.
As for whether or not he resides in the Shinigami realm, this still would not prevent him from getting access to a Death Note. Furthermore, all this does is bring us back to the matter of what motivation Ryuk would have to lie about MU.
You were born on a deserted island, and raised with no technology. You are found by a cruiseship, and they tell you some basic rules for living in society.
Using your example, let us assume, as a rule, "If you walk into the middle of a street, you may get hit by a car."
This would lead us to believe cars exist, even if we have never seen one before.
Similarly, consider a second rule (and this will tie in to Death note).
"Whoever walks into the shopping mall can neither be hit by car nor truck while inside"
I just don't see why the death note should mention heaven or hell if it doesn't exist. Neither Ryuk nor Sidoh had considered falsifying rules until Light came up with the idea.
Lastly, I do not believe Light became a Shinigami; my argument is that it is possible he might reside in the Shinigami realm, and that heaven and hell might exist for other people.