Debate Comments

Kastrahalteth, don't take this as an offense, but regarding to the debate: go to the library and return with a book that is used to teach economics.


Would be good for both of us.
You having a decent understanding about basic economics.
Me having more characters to spend on other things in the debate.

Again, no offense, but advice.



Kind regards,

Shorack


ps: i'll try to finish up my reply today, but since i'm going out for some fun tonight too, it might be a last hour posting, even though i have the good intention to get it finished now.

I figured I still owed it to you to respond, Bones.

So, to start, let's go with the most obvious reason why the media is not communistic. It's collectively owned by three corporations. Firstly, it is by definition unequal and all that, and therefore not communistic. Secondly, if it advocated a communistic message, then these companies would be hurting themselves by encouraging people to question their power. It knows that, so it doesn't.

And in the US the richest 1% of households owned 38% of all wealth. http://multinationalmonitor.org/...

I'm sorry, but I just can't understand how America is communistic in any way if that is true. Communism is the idea of everyone having equal wealth. Even ‘communism flipped upside down' would have to maintain the core beliefs of the system it's based on, wouldn't it? America is incredibly capitalistic.

People buy hybrid cars because gas is so expensive. If maintaining a hybrid car cost the same as any other car, they wouldn't be selling at all. Being environmentally friendly is more expensive, and if companies pass that expense on to their consumers, no one will buy. Because hybrid cars ultimately save money, people are happy to buy them. Environmental friendliness is just a pleasant side-effect.

And yeah, we'd lose a lot of creativity and good thinking if we switched to socialized medicine. However, that creativity and good thinking is currently going towards finding ways to deny people healthcare, so no big loss, really. Our life expectancy is well below countries with socialized medicine, for the simple fact that it's better.

No problem.
The site allows 3 days for a reason. :)

I was a bit worried though today, when i saw not even half a day left, since my expectations on this debate is that it will stay highly interesting.

my reply won't be for tonight by the way. (it is 1.17am over here)
I'll try tomorrow, but i can't totally guarantee, as mentionned before.



Kind regards,

Shorack


ps: i'll start reading right away though, so i can think on your arguments when i find a bit of unoccupied thinking time :D

Sorry I took so long. Robotics has been eating my life. We shipped this morning so I finally had some time to respond, though not quite as much as I'd like.

I bet that almost every way you show me that the media is not communistic, I will show you why it is. We have Keynesianism in America, shich is just communism flipped upside down. But it is still communism. Good intentions are not good enough. A little girl wants to help her mommy fix supper and she instead gets in the way and spills the supper. Her good intentions still caused the 'destruction' of supper. How do you explain hybrid cars? People will buy more from companies that pollute less if they feel that there is too much pollution is in the earth. Social programs are not for the betterment of any country. There is so much creativity and good thinking that is banned when we go to social programs. Communism, I will still hold, is nothing but an evil philosophy that we need to look at more closely to really see it for what it is.

There you go. ;)
I'll try to get faster to it next round, but won't make a promise of it. I like to think things through well and fund it with sources if possible.

I'll try to get time tomorrow and monday during the morning.

Sorry, the two terms are used interchangeably these days. But yeah, I'm referring to offshoring.

by the way, are you aware that you're talking about offshoring instead of outsourcing?

(ofcourse, it is possible that they offshore by outsourcing)
i'll assume you meant offshoring the whole time, wheter it happens by outsourcing or not is less relevant, but it would still be better to know if you meant it that way or not. ;)

It's great to finally see you, Shorack.

Just because the site gives you three days doesn't necessarily mean you have to use ALL of them, though. ;D

And if you like the subject so much, then I suppose this debate ought to be interesting.

By all means, I expect you to ignore the comments, although they are pretty interesting in of themselves. And how is Communism not related to outsourcing? </joke>

If America losing money is bad, then why not avoid it? Forget the workers for a second. If you don't even consider them, it still makes more sense not to outsource because it makes the country poorer every year. Obviously, you can only keep that up so long before the US is up to its collective ears in debt.

And Americans /should/ be entitled jobs created by American companies. These companies depend on Americans to buy their products, they should really give back, doncha think?

Besides, looking at things in the most selfish way possible, if they don't hire Americans, then Americans don't have the money to buy their goods and they fail. It's in their best interests not to outsource, but they'd rather make a quick buck than look at things in the long run.

Food for one person in the US costs $3,120 a year. The average Chinese wage is $1,248 a year. I rest my case.

And your argument would be true if companies were paying full wages right now. But they're hiring foreign labor. If we work for the same wages as them, then the only difference to the companies is that the workers are in the US and not China. They're still paying their workers the same amount, and the prices of products don't change.

The ‘patriotism' thing was a bit of a joke. I was poking fun at how patriotic you guys always are. Regardless, international firms have to pay a fee to sell in the US, both to help support our economy and to force them to drive up their prices so they won't compete so much with American companies. Taken care of.

And I was going to say there was no debate in the actual debate because my opponent was a coward, but now that he's back I don't suppose I can. :/