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JoshuaWright
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Spiral
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Should The "Cane" and other forms of corporal punishment be brought back into the education system?

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Started: 5/19/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 266 times Debate No: 4092
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JoshuaWright

Pro

Its one of those age old questions that we all ask ourselves, should we bring back the cain? Older generations agree with it, younger generations disagree. However, As a part of the younger generation (im only 16) i beleive we SHOULD bring back the cain, and other forms of corporal punishment.

My first point, is that of discipline. Discipline has been around since man himself. I believe discipline is they key to success. Without discipline, and self-discipline, a person cannot survive in the world as we know it today. I beleive that todays youths, are out of control. Without proper discipline, todays youth, which will one day be running the world, will spiral out of control.

I will await furhter opposition and points of interest to further my second argument.
Spiral

Con

Firstly a bit of re-wording

The "Cane" and other forms of corporal punishment should be brought back into the education system.

"My first point, is that of discipline. Discipline has been around since man himself. I believe discipline is they key to success. Without discipline, and self-discipline, a person cannot survive in the world as we know it today. I beleive that todays youths, are out of control. Without proper discipline, todays youth, which will one day be running the world, will spiral out of control."

We can discard your opening argument for the exaggeration it is, unless you have anthropological evidence from the start of mankind to show us all.

"Without proper discipline, todays youth, which will one day be running the world, will spiral out of control."

This is nothing more than a slippery slope fallacy.

Onto the remaining parts then.

Definition
Corporal punishment: intentional actions that are intended to cause physical pain or discomfort for the purposes of correcting a child's behaviour, or for the purposes of deterring a child from repeating the unwanted behaviour in the future.

Historically, the prevailing view of mainstream society was that violence against children by their parents and teachers was simply a fact of life. This general societal acceptance reflected the widespread perception that children were the possessions of their parents, rather than individual human beings with fundamental human rights. It is well documented that because of references to the merits of the use of physical punishment as a method to punish sinners and to promote respect for God in the Old Testament, Christian religious leaders have historically promoted the use of physical means of disciplining children.

Straus, M. A. (2001). Beating the devil out of them: Corporal punishment in American families and its effects on children. Developmental Psychology 5(4), 33-56.

Use of corporal punishment is associated with impaired relationships and decreased communication between children and others. In a school context, then, children whose teachers employ physical punishment may refrain from approaching them for help with a problem, which could have a detrimental impact on their schoolwork. Additionally, and of high importance in regards to school context, physical punishment is consistently associated with increased levels of aggression in children and youth. Teachers who use corporal punishment to manage a child's behaviour are inadvertently causal to the behaviour they see to discourage.

Additionally corporal punishment is consistently associated with negative scores on reasoning and problem solving tasks, both which are of extreme importance to success in school. Lastly, any findings on the benefits of physical punishment in terms of its association with immediate compliance are poor. Studies consistently reveal that, in the long term, this type of discipline is ineffective at teaching socially suitable behaviour, is positively associated with adult aggression, and negatively associated with measures of self control and empathy.

Buck, J., Holden, G. W., & Stickels, A. (2001). The onset of physical punishment and other disciplinary techniques: A longitudinal and predictive analysis. Research in Child Development 8(2), 45-56.

Gershoff, E. (2002). Corporal Punishment by Parents and Associated Child Behaviors and Experiences: A Meta-Analytic and Theoretical Review. Psychological Review 128(4), 539–579.

Gradinge, E. (2003). Teaching Children the Right Lesson: Challenging the Use of Physical Punishment in Canadian Schools. Education Law Journal 15(1), 1-30.
Greydanus et al. (2003). Corporal Punishment in Schools. Journal of Adolescent Health 32(3), 385-393.

Teachers should therefore be highly encouraged to refrain from using physical punishment and to develop alternative, constructive approaches to child management. In essence, corporal punishment leads to nothing more than an unproductive, nullifying and retaliatory environment.
Debate Round No. 1
JoshuaWright

Pro

JoshuaWright forfeited this round.
Spiral

Con

My oponent has forfeited, my arguments still stand.

The City in the Sea
by Edgar Allan Poe

Lo! Death has reared himself a throne
In a strange city lying alone
Far down within the dim West,
Where the good and the bad and the worst and the best
Have gone to their eternal rest.
There shrines and palaces and towers
(Time-eaten towers that tremble not!)
Resemble nothing that is ours.
Around, by lifting winds forgot,
Resignedly beneath the sky
The melancholy waters he.

No rays from the holy heaven come down
On the long night-time of that town;
But light from out the lurid sea
Streams up the turrets silently-
Gleams up the pinnacles far and free-
Up domes- up spires- up kingly halls-
Up fanes- up Babylon-like walls-
Up shadowy long-forgotten bowers
Of sculptured ivy and stone flowers-
Up many and many a marvellous shrine
Whose wreathed friezes intertwine
The viol, the violet, and the vine.
Resignedly beneath the sky
The melancholy waters lie.
So blend the turrets and shadows there
That all seem pendulous in air,
While from a proud tower in the town
Death looks gigantically down.

There open fanes and gaping graves
Yawn level with the luminous waves;
But not the riches there that lie
In each idol's diamond eye-
Not the gaily-jewelled dead
Tempt the waters from their bed;
For no ripples curl, alas!
Along that wilderness of glass-
No swellings tell that winds may be
Upon some far-off happier sea-
No heavings hint that winds have been
On seas less hideously serene.

But lo, a stir is in the air!
The wave- there is a movement there!
As if the towers had thrust aside,
In slightly sinking, the dull tide-
As if their tops had feebly given
A void within the filmy Heaven.
The waves have now a redder glow-
The hours are breathing faint and low-
And when, amid no earthly moans,
Down, down that town shall settle hence,
Hell, rising from a thousand thrones,
Shall do it reverence.
Debate Round No. 2
JoshuaWright

Pro

JoshuaWright forfeited this round.
Spiral

Con

Another forfeit, my arguments all stand. :)

Emily Dickinson

Because I could not stop for Death,
He kindly stopped for me;
The carriage held but just ourselves
And Immortality.

We slowly drove, he knew no haste,
And I had put away
My labor, and my leisure too,
For his civility.

We passed the school where children played,
Their lessons scarcely done;
We passed the fields of gazing grain,
We passed the setting sun.

We paused before a house that seemed
A swelling of the ground;
The roof was scarcely visible,
The cornice but a mound.

Since then 't is centuries; but each
Feels shorter than the day
I first surmised the horses' heads
Were toward eternity.
Debate Round No. 3
20 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 11 through 20 records.
Posted by Spiral 6 months ago
Spiral
We shall ignore (again like the actual debate)the astounding idiocy of saying you know behaviour since the beginning of man, because that's really not relevant.

"Your card also state "violence" or "brutality" to "behavioural imperative". true corporal punishment (used for the intent of learning only)is neither."

No...(reading is a good skill to pick up). What i said was in relation to your comment that, because a behaviour has occured since the beginning of man, it is natural.

This is called a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one. Or more simply for you, correlation does not equal causation.
Posted by Spiral 6 months ago
Spiral
I'll take objective scientific based evidence over your own and other .com webistes opinions. :) Naturally you don't know the effect any corporal punishment has on you, people do not have good access to your own internal cognitive processes. That is why there are tests that measure such things. Psychology left inferential based evidence approaches ohhhhh something like 110 years ago.
Posted by cooljpk 6 months ago
cooljpk
Some of your evidence states that corporal punishment destroy relationship and from experience think your source are idiots (regardless of credentials) because me and my friends all get a good slap or spanking when we do something stupid! but than there are those teens who parents just "talk" to them and they are the one who get in fights, steal stuff and disturb class!
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au...

Your card also state "violence" or "brutality" to "behavioural imperative". true corporal punishment (used for the intent of learning only)is neither.
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com...
http://www.rapcan.co.za...
http://locke100.wordpress.com...
Posted by Spiral 6 months ago
Spiral
It is in the bible, that does not equate to a behavioural imperative.

I supplied references, try looking them up and reading.
Posted by cooljpk 6 months ago
cooljpk
were did you get that because corporal punishment have been use since adama and eve (or the beging of man) how can it suport these negitive traits if its in our nature! your info is not fair in its judgement. the natural course of respect is failing because the lack of punishment (modern punishment = vacation not punishment)!
Posted by Spiral 6 months ago
Spiral
***significantly*** not significatly
Posted by Spiral 6 months ago
Spiral
You can disagree all you like; the research however strongly, and by that I mean consistently, statistically significatly, shows that 1. Corporal punishment fails spectacularly 2. It promotes negative behaviours and traits 3. Self efficacy as a mediator for behavior is much higher 4. As a factor it promotes a range of positive values and attributes.
Posted by cooljpk 6 months ago
cooljpk
i respectivly disagree, childen don't respond to Self efficacy as well as some forms corporal punishment.
Posted by Spiral 6 months ago
Spiral
Self efficacy is a far stronger factor for positive behaviour.
Posted by cooljpk 6 months ago
cooljpk
the current discipline plan (not allowing kids to come to school of X amount of time). that punishment only helps them who want to ditch school. For me this is punishment due to my parents Corporal Punishment and having to deal with it during the school day but the kids who parents don't have Corporal Punishment it vacation with no repercussions. how can we teach kids to have respect with no "hard power" this even apply to world peace!

(sorry that its a little confusing)
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