The United States Federal Government should help to modernize third-world countries.
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| Started: | 5/22/2008 | Category: | Miscellaneous |
| Updated: | 5 months ago | Status: | Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 382 times | Debate No: | 4139 |
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"Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant." -- Elie Wiesel
Clarification: A common misconception regarding third-world countries is that "the poverty of the developing nations can be attributed to their failure to innovate, resulting in technological and therefore economic deficit" [1]. That is simply untrue. Western civilizations were able to expand and modernize through our colonial prowess; we subjected underdeveloped nations to blatantly unfair and outrageous policies such as slavery, manipulated labor, exploitation of resources, unequal trade, and military intimidation. In a sense, we [the Western world] are responsible for their inability to progress and transform. Through imperialism (and force), we have enslaved the individuals living in third world countries by forcing them to comply with our wants and needs. We continue to let them live in poverty so we can pursue our own economic agendas (i.e. cheap labor). Not only is this practice completely barbaric and entirely immoral, but the logic behind it has backfired and put the United States in a very comprimising situation... Issues: For one, many conscious Americans feel that we have "blood on our hands" so to speak, and feel somewhat responsible for the United State's contribution to the condition of many third-world countries today. It is because of our exploitation that these nations have been both exposed to the Western World (in other words, they know what they're missing out on), and prevented from achieving the status that we have maintained. Consider the United State's occupation of other countries since our inception. Because we are a capitalist driven economy, we are constantly seeking new ways to take advantage of those who are less fortunate than us for our own personal gain. In addition to being a humanitarian issue, these practices have consequently led to our own economic demise (with the most prevalent aspect of our suffering economy being the outsourcing of American jobs). Further, the unberable conditions of some third-world countries have forced people to seek refuge in the United States. As a result, we not only have immigrants working illegally for a fraction of the legal wage, but Americans have also been forced to pay for these immigrants (education, hospital visits, etc.) via our tax dollars. Proposition: The United States Federal Government should help to modernize third-world countries. While we still have to keep our own economic interests in mind, helping other nations build up their own economies will prevent people from bleeding ours dry via the influx of an unsustainable population. It is common knowledge, however, that our own economy is suffering and therefore one might assume that we do not have the resources to help other countries. The truth is that in helping underdeveloped nations, the U.S. can actually improve our own economic situation by creating a win-win situation for everyone involved. Here's an example. In 1947, the United States agreed via The Marshall Plan that we would give Europe $13 billion to recover from the damage of WWII. The catch? Well the money was to be used to buy products and services from the United States, and the goods had to be shipped using American vessels. In this situation, both parties benefitted. Europe was given the tools necessary to build up their own economies (many of which dominate the world today - especially the Germans), and Americans at home were able to live comfortably knowing that their jobs were secure. Justification: In the past, the U.S. has attempted to rectify some of the damage it has imposed on other people(s) including Native Americans and African Americans (via affirmative action). By helping to modernize third-world countries, we would effectively be doing good for others as well as ourselves. First, we can attempt to repay the countries we have exploited for centuries by bringing technology and democracy to them. While it would be wrong for us to assume that other countries wish to lead this Westernized kind of life, fortunately we don't have to assume anything -- we can see that mass movements to enter the United States BECAUSE of these things mean that other people want the same liberties and economic freedoms that we have. Second, other countries have repeatedly asked for our help. Consider the warm welcome George W. Bush received from Ghanians in February 2008. "Africa salutes you for these gestures of goodwill that are impacting the lives of many ordinary persons on the continent for the better. Here in Ghana, we appreciate the assistance of the United States in the establishment of strong and viable democratic institutions to engender fair elections, the rule of law, and respect for political and economic rights of all Ghanaians ... We welcome your government for facilitating measures to promote the setting up of private equity funds through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. We have no doubt that these far reaching measures will accelerate economic growth to change the fortunes of our continent and help bring the much needed relief and employment to millions of ordinary citizens of Africa ... In this regard, my government has always supported dialogue for resolving all problems on the continent, particularly Darfur, Somalia, and most recently Kenya and Chad. We welcome the assistance which the United States of America is offering through the United Nations and the African Union in the search for a solution to these conflicts" [2]. Third, undeniably the United States would have its own interests secured in choosing to help modernize third-world countries. Like I've mentioned, by bringing these much wanted/needed technologies to other countries (which would create jobs and help stabalize their economies), it would help to diminish the incredible amount of illegal immigration into the United States. Americans simply cannot afford to pay incredibly high taxes for the tens of millions of people who do not lawfully reside within our borders. Lower taxes means more money for consumer spending, thus jump-starting our economy towards future success and an end to this terrible recession. Further, in choosing to help these countries in need, the United States would also be securing hundreds of thousands of American jobs. A - there will be less immigrants working for lower pay, meaning more available jobs for Americans. B - More stabalized economies leads to less outsourcing, so more jobs can stay here at home. And C - by encouraging these developing nations to invest in American products, we will create many more jobs at home, especially in factories (the midwest) where the economy is taking the hardest hit. Finally, in choosing to improve the conditions of other nations, the U.S. can hopefully "clear its name" post the George W. Bush regime. It is common knowledge that we have lost a lot of respect world-wide as a result of our instigation of an incredibly unpopular war (to say the least). Hopefully our humanitarian efforts will be looked upon favorably by others, as well as supported by economists here at home. Bottom line: helping to modernize third-world countries can mutually benefit both American citizens, and the impoverished in other nations. Quote: [1] http://www.casacollective.org... Source: [2] http://www.whitehouse.gov... PublicForumG-d forfeited this round. |
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Go Go Modernizer Rangers!
I say we bring technology to third world countries so they can write blogs about all of their problems.
I'd like to note for the record I would've loved to debate this, and my opponent gave her approval to do so, but unfortunately, she has decided to lie. :( Lwerd - "Sure I'll repost the rounds!" Me - "ok." NOTE: This is paraphrased. Don't try to be like "wah he's a terrorist saying things I didn't say". I'll post the full text in r3 for your own review. This definately sucks on the part of the Lwerd. |
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In conclusion, the United States Federal Government should help to modernize third-world countries .
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You have no idea what you are talking about, nor have you any context for the conversation. I was speaking with Danielle and LaSalle - idk who invited you to the convo."
Lol look, Public -- here's what I see: You're quite a reprehensible little man who most likely took your parent's praises too much to heart in an attempt to ward off the outnumbering and insulting criticisms that were far more warranted. Perhaps from the underlying insecurity you've developed this bloated sense of self-importance that's secreting from every pore and infecting the rest of us. You're constantly trying to point out how you're enjoying some sort of respectable preferential treatment and I personally believe that's because you know that respectability is the furthest thing from what you're actually deserving of in all reality. Hence, you keep delivering to us e-people this personalized and edited form of your "reality" in order to create a fabricated self-projection you can actually be proud of.
Wow, and all of this wrapped up in you thinking you're being so da*n clever -- it's rather amusing.
Too bad we can't meet these snivelling little boys in person, hmm L?
@PublicForumG-d: I don't think the all caps demonstrated that she was psychotic. Rather, she is simply making up for the lack of nonverbal communication on the Internet through putting great emphasis on the points that count.
Anyway, having taken both sides into consideration, I would have say that that theLwerd's points stand out in this case. These advantages weren't given to the others who have forfeited. Even with my "substitution" idea, there would still be an overall lack of fairness.
If you're being duschy just say it. Don't try to couch it as appearing to be reasonable.
Hope to hit you in Finals.
I will create a post in the group and let other people give their input as to what they think a fair decision would be. If more than a few (2-3) people have a problem with it, I'm sorry but you're just going to have to bite the bullet and accept the loss. It's not the end of the friggin world. I promise.
YOU ARE RIDICULOUS. IF YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT WHAT WAS 'FAIR' YOU WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR AN ADVANTAGE THAT NOBODY ELSE GOT... HERE'S A QUOTE FROM ZAKKUCHAN IN THE GROUP WHO *ALSO* WAS AT A DEBATE TOURNAMENT:
"Good news, everyone (if you even knew or remembered the bad news): I have computer and internet access where I am staying. So I don't have to forfeit the tournament after all!"
^^ HE DIDN'T ASK/RECEIVE AN EXTENSION -- HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO *FORFEIT* LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS BUSY AND COULDN'T PARTICIPATE. LASALLE MENTIONED IN ANOTHER FORUM THAT SHE HAD TO FORFEIT HER LAST ROUND DUE TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY. THIS WILL PROBABLY COST HER THE DEBATE AND KICK HER OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT (WHEREAS THIS WON'T HAPPEN TO YOU). UNLESS YOU CAN GRANT *HER* THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN EXTENSION, IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR OF ME TO DO THAT FOR YOU. YOUR PROPOSITION MEANS THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE EXTENSIONS BASED SOLELY ON THE KINDNESS OF THEIR COMPETITORS, MEANING IT'S *UNFAIR* TO THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE OPPONENT'S SAY NO... MEANING NOBODY SHOULD GET THAT PRIVILEGE IF IT'S NOT EXTENDED TO EVERYONE!
NINI722 WAS YET ANOTHER DEBATER WHO MISSED A ROUND AND THUS LOST A DEBATE BECAUSE SHE HAD TO GO OUT OF TOWN FOR WORK. SHE WAS NOT GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE, SO AGAIN, **WHY SHOULD YOU BE GIVEN CHANCES THAT OTHER PEOPLE WEREN'T GIVEN**? IT'S TOO LATE FOR NINI BUT IF LASALLE'S DEBATE GETS EXTENDED (SHOULD SHE ASK FOR ONE) THEN I WILL NOT MAKE THIS DEBATE COUNT AS A FORFEIT... I SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE IN UNFAIR ADVANTAGES BEING GIVEN TO SOME PEOPLE AND NOT OTHERS. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.
HERE'S ROB1BILLION FORFEITING A DEBATE IN THE TOURNY BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS...
"I would have given you a run for your money but classes are coming to a head..." <-- HE FORFEITED, DIDN'T ASK FOR EXTENSIONS BC OF FINALS... EVERYONE GOES THIS!!!
That's the dumbest criteria I've ever heard for judging 'Fair'. It really is.
If you want "Fair" then you give reasonable opportunities for extension to other debaters who - like me - had a debate related event that hindered them. Heck, if your mom took sick and you went to take care of her, I don't think its unreasonable for you to ask for an extension. I think thats "Fair". And I didn't surprise this on you - I asked you in advance.
And I haven't started writing a case - it looks like that won't matter. So its not really unfair to anyone...
Whatever. I'll leave it to you to choose to repost if you care to be kind, or just do whatever if you don't. I hope to hit you in the final round if you choose.
Second, LaSalle posted in the tournament group on Facebook that she was uncomfortable with your multiple extensions. I'm sure you were busy at a debate tournament and I'm sorry that you were hospitalized during your last debate. But like I said, we ALL have lives, and we are ALL busy... why are you the only one asking for extensions? The rest of the people who had to forfeit just accepted it. Imagine if everyone were to extend their debates for life getting in the way. The rounds would never end! And since you wanna quote me, I guess I will too. Here's a comment I left on the Debate Tournament wall on 5/20:
"I'll leave it up to Luke and the other participants."
If even one fellow debater has a problem with it, it's really not fair. Unless you can guarantee that LaSalle's future debates get extended, why should she or anyone else for that matter agree with yours? I understand that you spoke to Luke but he never responded to any of MY questions, so his response is news to me.
Also, I said that I would re-post the debate if need be at a later time; I never said that you should have more than 3 days to accept the challenge. Please don't put words in my mouth. I e-mailed you and told you that I waited until as late as I could to post the debate. At that time, all you did was comment on this debate that you needed to accept by 5/25 at 7am which was true. You were over 30 hrs late. You shoulda told me that Luke said it was okay to start late, and in that case I would have waited until the 26th or something to even challenge you. But the fact remains that I had a certain amount of time to write MY case, and now you have all this extra time to make yours. Not only is it unfair to me, but most importantly, I honestly feel that it's unfair to everyone else.
You have no idea what you are talking about, nor have you any context for the conversation. I was speaking with Danielle and LaSalle - idk who invited you to the convo.